13:57:24 From gookar : hi everyone, good afternoon 13:57:59 From Lucy Williams : Hi Gookar and everyone else 13:58:16 From Nick Trench : Hi everyone 13:58:19 From Vicky : Hello, great to be ‘here’ 13:59:02 From fionafieber : Hi everyone 13:59:23 From Liz Macfarlane : Hi everyone 13:59:35 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Hello 13:59:51 From Paul R : Hello :) 14:00:02 From Martell Baines : Hello very pleased to be invited to attend this APPG meeting. Martell 14:00:14 From Engage Acccount : Hello to all from Jane Sillis, Engage 14:00:19 From Penny Hay : Hi everyone 14:00:50 From Amanda Skilton : Hello everyone 14:00:52 From Clare Stanhope : Hi everyone! 14:00:57 From Nicky, Crafts Council : Hello all - Nicky from Crafts Council 14:01:16 From Sam Cairns : Hi all - Sam Cairns, Cultural Learning Alliance 14:01:24 From Marlene Wylie : Hi everyone! 14:01:25 From jude : Hello All! From Judy 14:01:34 From Sheila Ceccarelli : Hello! Sheila Ceccarelli AccessArt 14:01:38 From Rachel Payne : Hello everyone! 14:02:09 From Sarah Phillips : Hello, Sarah Phillips - Godalming College and Art History in Schools 14:02:17 From Zoe : Hello everybody! Zoe from Crafts Council :) 14:03:14 From Penny Hay : Hi, Penny, Bath Spa University and House of Imagination 14:03:36 From Penny Hay to Susan M Coles(Privately) : v good to see you! x 14:03:36 From Caroline Shouksmith : Hi everyone! Caroline Shouksmith Head of Art KESW, Surrey 14:03:43 From Armaiti Bedford : Hello from Armaiti - Save Hertfordshire Art 14:03:52 From Vicky : Should have introduced myself, Vicky from League of Culture 14:04:28 From sam.broadhead : Good afternoon everyone (Sam Leeds Arts University) 14:04:53 From stephanie : Hi Stephanie from St Marylebone Teaching School Allience 14:05:09 From gspry : HI everyone , Georgina from University of Chester 14:05:17 From gookar : Is anyone else having sound issues? 14:05:19 From Gregory Perry : Gregory Perry, CEO from the Association for Art History, hello everyone 14:05:50 From Sue Nye : Hi everyone - Sue Nye from the House of Lords and Vice Chair 14:05:58 From Helen Burns : Hi everyone. Helen Burns, Newcastle University 14:14:13 From Susan M Coles to Penny Hay(Privately) : hello and welcome to all of you.... 14:14:41 From Sharon Hodgson : Hi Everyone #waves 14:14:57 From Sharon Hodgson : got in eventually!! phew! 14:15:06 From uptonm : Hello everyone, Michael Upton here from The Cass at London Metropolitan University 14:15:21 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Hi Sharon! 14:15:53 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Jessica Austin-Burdett from Sir John Cass school, London here, btw. 14:18:10 From Sharon Hodgson : hi Susan I will take over chairing if that's ok? 14:24:33 From Susan M Coles : please start asking questions folks. I have one for Michele- just to ask can you remind people to log on this week to book conference slots- including non members..... 14:25:04 From Penny Hay : Michele you rightly said that this is a once in a lifetime chance to transform education for the better .. what do you think are the immediate steps in this process? Same question to Sharon too! 14:26:10 From Susan M Coles : Liz- please can you connect with Nick Trench about inequality of opportunity with working from home? Question in the Lords next week..... 14:26:22 From Lucy Williams : Am not clear on what Liz means by a new task set? For whom? Current Year 10 and 12? And for next academic year? 14:27:27 From Nick Trench : Thanks, Susan M C, actually the question is on Thursday! 14:27:28 From Officer NSEAD : the new task is just for y 11GCSE and y13 A level students who wish to resit this summer assessment in the autumn 14:28:09 From Penny Hay : At last teachers are trusted to make assesssments, challenging the testing culture in schools 14:29:10 From Clare Stanhope : Liz - has there been any discussion with OFQUAL around impact on next years examination? 14:30:14 From stephanie : Can I ask, how are NSEAD suggesting that Y11 and Y13 students embark on new projects, with additional new Y11 and Y13 students from Sept… Will they have to undertake projects at home (which means the same disadvantages exist.) as many departments don’t have capacity for even more classes. What are the expectations? 14:31:08 From Lucy Williams : Stephanie, I was thinking similarly re timetabling and teacher time as well as providing work space for those students and supervision 14:31:08 From Liz Macfarlane : Hi Clare. Not yet - we have raised this as an issue and they are aware but their focus is this summer, followed by the autumn series before thinking about next summer. 14:31:22 From Clare Stanhope : Thanks Liz 14:31:57 From Orla Crean : Google classroom has been a god send for on line learning!! 14:32:18 From Officer NSEAD : Ofqual are still consulting, the final decision on how resits will be organised has not been made. The arrangments for the externally set task will sit with the exam boards 14:32:44 From Liz Macfarlane : I don't think that vast entry numbers are expected in the autumn term - it will be down to schools to decide 14:33:18 From Brad Hodgson : Google Classroom has also been very valuable for my school. Students engage in this well too. 14:40:06 From Clare Stanhope : Hi Ruth and Jess, one of the big obstacles I have with my yr 12 students is an increase in mental health issues, students who are vulnerable and often aren’t in school when its open, alongside lack of resources, internet access etc, have you seen an increase in such issues? If so how have you supported students? 14:40:49 From Susan M Coles : super narrative ruth! 14:41:38 From Lucy Williams : Ruth, so good to hear your journey with your students. I totally empathise with your dislike of hearing your voice and seeing yourself - I am not of the selfie era either!!!!! 14:41:43 From Penny Hay : Thanks Ruth, your point about balancing academic achievement with mental health and wellbeing is so important .. we need to design a more compassionate education system 14:43:09 From Sheila Ceccarelli : Fantastic Jessica that you got materials to your students! 14:43:51 From Brad Hodgson : The generosity of teachers sharing resources has been overwhelming hasn’t it? A great community of teachers to be a part of 14:44:03 From Susan M Coles : going back to core purpose is the right question Jess...... 14:44:21 From Sheila Ceccarelli : Perfect question! 14:44:32 From Lucy Williams : So important Jessica to understand the home situations of our students - thinking too of those who live without the space to work (eg in homes of multiple occupancy). Lots of children have now got more child care responsibilities with parents working at home or working outside of the home 14:45:32 From Vicky : I’d totally bought in to the media narrative of ‘every kid has a smartphone etc’, hadn’t occurred to me that many households only have one or less devices for all family members. 14:45:33 From Susan M Coles : and there are students (including primary) who are carers for family members. 14:46:06 From Sheila Ceccarelli : Love the idea of Loom… hands on demos - 14:46:28 From Lucy Williams : Yes Susan, it has become so apparent that access to attend school is quite an equaliser 14:46:37 From Penny Hay : Issues around digital poverty / inclusion / access too 14:46:52 From Engage Acccount : Brilliant to have these insights on remote art teaching and on how to over come the barriers of homes having little access to materials and digital devises. 14:47:25 From Susan M Coles : some children don't even have a table to work at..... 14:47:36 From Lucy Williams : some staff are also using very old lap tops that are slow 14:48:01 From Clare Stanhope : This is a massive concern with parity of access to technology, I totally agree. 14:49:08 From Richard Davies : Loom sounds interesting. I’ve grown used to filming myself doing demos and then using iMovie to edit footage and/or add voiceover. Its been a very steep learning curve, but a valuable one and it is certainly something that will enhance my teaching in the long term. 14:49:19 From Engage Acccount : I agree there has been amazing generosity between teachers, artists and arts organisations which is a real positive we can all build on. 14:49:22 From Sheila Ceccarelli : How do you manage all the uploads from students - what percentage of students do upload and how to you manage feedback? If you have some of your 600 students uploading that must be very hard to manage/ feedback? Same question for ruth… 14:49:24 From Liz Macfarlane : Great that innovative ways of working are being developed despite all of the difficulties. 14:49:24 From Lucy Williams : Jessica so lovely to hear your experiences 14:49:41 From Sheila Ceccarelli : Great talks from the teachers 🤩 14:49:44 From Sue Nye : is the point about the government not providing digital resources a common problem - might be worth putting a parliamentary question down to ask what is happening with it? 14:49:47 From Sheila Ceccarelli : Thank you! 14:50:15 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : No-one I know has been in receipt of any laptops as promised by the govt. 14:51:00 From Clare Stanhope : Thanks Jess and Ruth, really interesting to hear your experiences 14:51:14 From Sue Nye : will put a question down then - thanks 14:51:49 From Susan M Coles : nobody has been given any of the 20 k laptops promised- government playing for time by saying 'it will take a while as they are being built from scratch'. Nonsense really. 14:51:52 From jude : Thanks Ruth and Jessica - really insightful. This raises lots of questions for me about how we introduce students into an HE environment and how we support them appropriately to adapt into a new, unknown learning environment (which will probably be a blended learning environment). 14:52:04 From Liz Macfarlane : definitely a priority to tackle digital poverty for students in schools as a result of the current crisis, I think. 14:52:15 From Nick Trench : Agree, Sue N, sounds like a good parliamentary question 14:52:18 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Thanks Jude, we have been doing some work with UAL online. Really helpful. 14:53:21 From Rachel Payne : Thank you Ruth and Jess, its really useful to hear about your experiences under lockdown. Tech poverty is a massive problem. Can we have a question ask in one/both of the Houses about this? 14:53:43 From Vicky : In Doncaster, CAST theatre, dArts at the Point and a few other arts orgs are creating ‘Bags of Creativity’ which are essentially activity packs that contain everything a child needs to create several artistic projects. 14:54:07 From stephanie : Comment: Issues not just with the digital resources, but actually so much printing out. As a parent of two, I must have printed out reams of paper based tasks set by teachers. Also our own art curriculum is very much based around printing and presenting… I have been thinking about whether we really need to use as much paper, colour printing etc.. I too had those piles of books and ask how can we have less impact on the environment as an art department. 14:54:09 From Nicky, Crafts Council : Crafts Council has been part of fundraising for this initiative too https://www.artscouncil.org.uk/toolkits/lets-create-packs-social-toolkit#section-1 14:54:48 From Vicky : Is Bags of Creativity a national initiative then? 14:55:29 From Penny Hay : Great idea! 14:55:37 From Sharon Hodgson : Sue, Williamson brought in a scheme about 5 weeks into lockdown promising thousands of laptops for all kids in care or who have a social worker - so was very very late in the day and not sure how good the roll out has been I am going to mention the situation in Sunderland under the Q&A as i've been monitoring this locally with council and schools. 14:55:52 From Nicky, Crafts Council : The Let's Create Packs are national - bridge organisations are working with community groups to distribute materials to most needed families 14:55:56 From Engage Acccount : Great to hear about these locality based arts education initiatives particularly with audiences new to the arts it would be brilliant if we can build on these as a community. 14:56:11 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Good post Stephanie! We have worked on lessening printing info out too. 14:56:20 From Vicky : Ah that makes sense, it’s the bridge organisations in Doncaster that are involved. 14:56:22 From Officer NSEAD : The create-packs are fab - thanks Crafts Council for supporting that work 14:57:12 From Nicky, Crafts Council : Thanks Michelle - we're in a good position to secure cash and supplies from a variety of sponsors - Hobbycraft and Toast are just a couple of examples. We're working towards more!! 14:57:52 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : We are working on Creativity and Wellbeing projects for when we return too. 14:58:18 From Lucy Williams : Stephanie, re lots of things the price of ink has also gone up for printers! Massive issues with environment...restaurants and cafes and bars moving to take away which is pretty much always in plastic based packages 14:58:53 From Penny Hay : As part of the CLA advisory group we heard from Place2Be who has had to transform how they work since the start of the Covid-19 crisis – working with families and partner organisations online, over the phone and via text. Since the schools closed they have been conducting on average 1,300 phone sessions a week. They conducted a survey of the check-ins to pull out common themes, which were about: • 68% family relationships, loneliness and isolation • 45% behaviour management • 39% violence in the home, including violence from children towards parents and careers • 23% self-harm or suicidal ideation by a young person 14:59:08 From Rachel Payne : This is a really interesting project to support teachers, children and parents which focusses on health and wellbeing https://restoreourschools.wordpress.com/ 15:00:06 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Thanks Rachel, that looks really interesting. 15:01:56 From Susan M Coles : also look up 'recovery curriculum' Barry Carpenter. 15:02:07 From Rachel Payne : Thank you Brad, that's brilliant 15:02:13 From Officer NSEAD : The NSEAD Special Interest Groups are member led, working on the priorities they have identified. they are power houses for art education community activism! great to hear these presentations Liz, Marlene, Amanda, Brad, working for the community on the things that matter. thank you 15:02:16 From Marlene Wylie : Thank you Amanda/Brad for sharing so passionately! 15:02:35 From Richard Davies : What I’ve become acutely aware of is that it is the small things that I miss most; the quick, unprompted, comments that encourage and reassure. 15:03:20 From Susan M Coles : thanks so much our north east folk Amanda and Brad! 15:03:22 From Lucy Williams : Thank you all for sharing, really interesting insights from Well Being special interest group. 15:04:44 From Susan M Coles : Marlene you are lucky to be in this lovely wellbeing team....:-) 15:05:41 From Marlene Wylie : Absolutely Susan!!! 15:06:50 From Andria Zafirakou : Question: I am worried about future student recruitment of our subjects especially when many Artists/ organisations have had to be furloughed etc. What can we do to make sure that we have a powerful voice for student recruitment? 15:07:07 From stephanie : Not just the physical resources, but the sources of time from adults, parents, carers to help guide, drive, motivate and support.... 15:07:46 From Nicky, Crafts Council : And following on from Andria's comment - we know from CIF the arts has been most hit as a sector - so how do we show that a career is still viable? 15:08:04 From Lucy Williams : Yes Andria, my big push used to be the creative industries being one of the biggest employers in the south east and capacity increasing during recession. I do wonder how I will promote this when in new school from Sep 15:08:08 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : We were lucky we were given a budget to send materials home, not all schools will even have that. 15:08:12 From Susan M Coles : a very good point there Nicky. 15:08:41 From Richard Davies : I’m really interested and have done research on the role assessment plays and how it should function. We need to move away from the current exam system that links exams to age and design a system that allows students to move through levels ‘when they are ready’. 15:08:53 From Sheila Ceccarelli : And access to outside spaces… where creative play and creative interaction with other children… I worry that as the fear of touch spreads that physical, material exploration will be lost… 15:08:55 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Agreed Richard! 15:09:39 From gspry : it is a real concern Nicky 15:09:40 From Lucy Williams : Maybe in the short term, with the arts being recognised as so valuable to mental health and well being that is our foci and the industries will recover??? 15:09:54 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : I hope so Lucy! 15:10:49 From Sue Nye : do people think though that there has been any change in the government’s attitude to art craft and design in the curriculum```/ 15:10:56 From Liz Macfarlane : we also want to refocus on what is important in the curriculum - art and design has helped many through the last few months but i suspect that it will go back on the backburner if we are not careful! 15:10:57 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Moving away from cswk was always a bad thing for all subjects! 15:12:53 From Nicky, Crafts Council : Does anyone know what is the latest on the Durham Commission recommendations / action and how this might be reflecting this changed environment. 15:13:06 From Lucy Williams : Yes Jessica, we are the only subject with no written exam, even DT has the written exam which I think I did with CDT yonks ago when I was at school? But it has certainly not helped at recruitment at that subject. I am concerned re KS4 uptake for Art and DT in the school I am starting at in Sep certainly 15:14:05 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : It is a struggle! I am really happy there is no written element but I think that other subjects should have project submissions not just terminal exams. 15:14:08 From stephanie : We can experience to develop more resources for socially engaged art for our students. 15:14:37 From Penny Hay : Nicky, the Durham Commission Creative Collaboratives has been postponed for now as far as I know .. 15:14:56 From Nicky, Crafts Council : Thanks Penny - I hadn't heard that. 15:15:01 From Lucy Williams : Yes, project work is so relevant in the workplace - you learn a lot from it and is great experience to conduct research in different ways, summarise and present it 15:16:10 From stephanie : Yes Penny and the arts premium too 15:16:58 From Penny Hay : Yes! Kindness, compassion, empathy .. 15:17:14 From Officer NSEAD : Sue Nye, I don't think the DFE have got to grips with what the curriculum might look like at all - - the logistics of opening schools to more students are occupying all of their energy I would suggest. The task force I mentioned will be challenging the Government to think about the big picture and a more progressive, creative approach to education, as well as well being and safety issues 15:17:52 From Penny Hay : Great Michele, who is on the task force? 15:17:55 From Nicky, Crafts Council : Michelle - it would be good to hear more about the approach of the taskforce 15:19:16 From Lucy Williams : What you learn about students and from students is also vital - I have missed that interaction through out my career break 15:21:03 From Officer NSEAD : Nicky, absolutely - we are still negotiating with DFE, but one thing we have said we will do from the beginning is to feed through the experiences of schools on a fortnightly basis. The priority for a while will be about risk of transmission and organising the school environment for safety. I'm hoping that we will be able to move from 'emergency mode' to 'growth mode' 15:21:04 From Rachel Payne : I saw this dataset today about how children are coping with lockdown: https://www.schooldash.com/blog.html#20200527 15:21:37 From Lucy Williams : It is another equaliser of children attending school - they are seen every day by a range of adults who notice small changes in them and intervene as they know their young people 15:23:07 From Lucy Williams : Rachel, that is really interesting data. I know in my last school, all students (1500) completed this survey either during their Personal Development lessons or tutor time. That school would not have had capacity to complete the same number this year 15:23:12 From Sheila Ceccarelli : Should we all be writing to our MPs on this - Digital poverty/ laptops etc.? 15:23:37 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Yes Sheila, that would be great 15:23:40 From Lucy Williams : I have often heard suggestions about PPI money being used to pay the broadband/wifi charge for families 15:23:49 From Caroline Shouksmith : I'm also keen to know more about the work of the task force mentioned by Sue 15:24:08 From Penny Hay : Issues of social justice, creative learning and relationship to wellbeing 15:24:10 From Lucy Williams : Lap tops do have to have adequate security before being given to young people to safeguard them 15:27:05 From Penny Hay : Q to Nick, can you convene a discussion in the Lords about rethinking the education system post Covid? 15:27:10 From Andria Zafirakou : Great meting - My apologies as I have an SLT meeting to prepare for. Best wishes and take care everyone 15:27:55 From Sue Nye : iHi Nick - just popped to get some water but yes I think it would be worth a try 15:28:07 From Sue Nye : especially since the replies to written questions has been so awful 15:28:33 From Lucy Williams : I am trying to imagine what my life would have been like as a young person during a pandemic like this - we were not well off. We would probably not have had internet, education was valued in my household growing up, but my Mum would have been a key worker and I know I would have been left at home to look after my two younger brothers. However, I am sure we were more connected to our community where we lived.... 15:29:42 From Richard Davies : Linked to this perhaps - the issue of using paper is mentioned on the CLEAPPS documentation, where it states that it cannot be passed between people as it may pose a risk of transfer of virus. 15:29:55 From Nicky, Crafts Council : we've been holding regular chats with our teacher networks - a lot of the concerns are reflected in the discussions we have had today - https://www.craftscouncil.org.uk/articles/covid-19-impact-on-teachers-and-schools/ 15:29:58 From Zoe : The issue of digital poverty and lack of access to materials at home has emerged through Crafts Council's conversations with craft teachers, there's a summary here: https://www.craftscouncil.org.uk/articles/covid-19-impact-on-teachers-and-schools We've been having regular consultation discussions with teachers about craft education--do let me know if you'd like to join the network! 15:30:30 From Vicky : Lucy: my experience would have been totally different. As a middle-class child who was bullied at school, I’d have loved not going into class. I would have enjoyed learning at home and know my parents would have set me lots of interesting tasks and made sure I did my homework. I post this only to show how disparate experiences can be. 15:30:51 From Nick Trench : Hi Penny - post covid education generally a hugely important area, so yes would be great lords debate 15:31:34 From Richard Davies : Vicky. My experience too! 15:32:10 From Lucy Williams : Totally Vicky, I actually think there will be a small % of young people who continue to be home educated as both parents and young people enjoy it and can do it. I loved going to school, as it was all about me and I did not have to look after anyone there.... 15:32:41 From Penny Hay : Thanks Nicky we are also looking at the creative pathways for children and young people into FE and HE 15:32:43 From Caroline Shouksmith : I think we must encourage pupils and parents to look at how important art is to many, many careers and how creativity is now regularly in the top 3 'soft skills' sought by future employers 15:32:43 From Vicky : I think this highlights why education policy is so difficult, no one idea will suit all children, especially as they are changing every day. 15:33:18 From Sharon Hodgson : very good point Vicky for some children as you say this will be working very well for all the reasons you state esp now the restrictions are being lifted a little so they can meet a few friends in the park but still not have to go back to school. 15:33:31 From Penny Hay : Great thanks Nick, count me in if there is a role for arts educators in this 15:33:32 From Zoe : There's a summary of Crafts Council's surveying of young people, including undergraduates, about how they've been affected by COVID here: https://www.craftscouncil.org.uk/articles/pulse-survey-how-have-young-creatives-been-affected-by-covid-19 15:33:35 From Lucy Williams : Sam, is there any data / info from CLA regarding arts skills employers value? 15:33:47 From Vicky : Thanks Sharon, Richard and everyone! 15:34:03 From Lucy Williams : We must remember that the voices who contribute to surveys with schools closed will be those with access to internet etc 15:34:18 From Nick Trench : Penny, will do 15:34:34 From Nicky, Crafts Council : Nick - I can offer Crafts Council support too 15:34:35 From Sharon Hodgson : good point Lucy! 15:34:47 From Sam Cairns : Lucy - there is lots on the value of the skills arts develops for careers. We did a Briefing pulling together the data: https://culturallearningalliance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/CLA-Employability-and-enterprise-briefing-A4.pdf 15:35:13 From Sharon Hodgson : Paul we need to move on the item 7 now I thnk 15:35:38 From Susan M Coles : https://www.evidenceforlearning.net/recoverycurriculum/ recovery curriculum 15:35:41 From Lucy Williams : Brilliant, thanks Sam. 15:36:20 From Lucy Williams : Sam, that is so useful, thank you. I have always used and advocated the CLA postcards re the Arts so this I sgreat too 15:36:42 From stephanie : Thanks for the meeting, thanks Sharon and Susan, I have HOLs meeting now. 15:37:09 From Susan M Coles : bye Steph 15:40:30 From Vicky : Digital submissions would work great for me. Due to health/finance issues and living up North, having to attend meetings in London can be very difficult. 15:41:24 From Sam Cairns : I think a look at wellbeing, given where we will be post-Covid could position us well moving forward. 15:41:58 From Marlene Wylie : I agree Sam 15:42:23 From Lucy Williams : It is great to attend meetings in amazing places and in person, but also these virtual meetings have really opened up possibilities for me Vicky. Virtual meetings also removes the time needed to travel to and from when teachers and others are time poor 15:43:16 From Sam Cairns : I think a mix of digital and perhaps one in person meeting a year is helpful. It will cut down the carbon emissions for travel to the meeting as well. 15:43:35 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Agreed Lucy and Vicky, I’m lucky that I live in London but I cannot visit meetings at the Baltic easily! 15:43:39 From Nicky, Crafts Council : If we did meet it would be good to talk to each other a little more! 15:44:01 From Nicky, Crafts Council : I'd like to work out how I can collaborate more with others. 15:44:07 From Penny Hay : Yes agree Sam - shining a light on the value of the arts, creativity and cultural learning in both affective and cognitive domains 15:44:15 From Lucy Williams : Great point Sam re carbon emissions. I am in London too but sometimes getting into central London after work is really challenging. It is nice to meet people in person 15:45:29 From gspry : I am working on developing how we support our non specialist primary arts teachers within our partner primary schools. With the advent of potentially little or no face to face arts teaching in initial teacher education in the next year - pedagogical approaches to teaching and learning in the primary school will be essential to our NQTs 15:45:32 From Liz Macfarlane : A mix of virtual and face to face meetings would work well - it's an inclusive model 15:46:04 From Penny Hay : Nick, can we bring both groups together? 15:46:10 From Richard Davies : For the short to medium term (12 months at least, I’d have thought) the use of digital is the best way. Returning to ‘normal’ is a long way off. 15:46:39 From Lucy Williams : I think primary schools would be a good foci - and as we move back in to teaching well being will be a natural link and need too. Can we link with the APPG for Arts and Well Being? 15:46:41 From Nicky, Crafts Council : I'd imagine any focus could be underpinned by well-being and the environment as core elements 15:47:06 From Orla Crean : Focus on creativity and its importance!! 15:47:36 From Nicky, Crafts Council : Yes - arts as well beyond creativity 15:47:52 From Penny Hay : yes good point Nicky 15:48:05 From Helen Burns : build in a theme of imagination and its role in all of our futures - how it is and could be supported through arts ed 15:48:18 From Amanda Skilton : Would a collaboration on art well being be possible? 15:48:19 From Penny Hay : lovely idea! 15:48:22 From gspry : Arts is much much more than just for well-being - I wouldn't want art & craft education to be buttonholed into its only value being supporting mental health 15:48:36 From Susan M Coles : the Durham Commission released their creativity report and it didn't have huge impact..... 15:48:58 From Sheila Ceccarelli : I feel as a group we need to keep working on highlighting the importance of art as a tool for learning and skill - yes wellbeing but let’s not lose our status as a core subject 15:49:02 From Anne-Louise Quinton : it wont be just art that is crippled now for career progression. it will be many subjects, so we need to come together. education for all careers secondary, especially for well being purposes 15:49:06 From Nicky, Crafts Council : I think ACE are quite engaged with Durham 15:49:08 From Penny Hay : yes agree gspry, each art form has its own integrity 15:49:15 From Orla Crean : PISA is assessing creativity 2021 - celebrate the unique contribution that the arts makes to creativity 15:49:51 From Nicky, Crafts Council : Orla I don't think England are part of this assessment - last I'd heard we'd opted out 15:50:11 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Arts and activism and social justice, as well as wellbeing, how the arts can be an equaliser and help students strengthen their sense of identity and develop their sense of community and responsibility too. Art is a powerful tool in so many ways. 15:50:12 From Lucy Williams : gspry, I agree. There is a huge link with the arts and well being as well as culture. Think of our well being re theatre, music etc - arts careers are vital not just the performers. Those will be areas that will build back up and people have sorely missed 15:50:19 From Sheila Ceccarelli : Primary art has suffered enormously and I fear could be utterly lost post covid 15:50:32 From Orla Crean : I thought Bill Lucas was designing the model Nicky - Winchester? 15:50:33 From Lucy Williams : Jessica - YES! 15:50:34 From Sam Cairns : England and Wales have opted out of the PISA creative thinking test 15:50:52 From Nicky, Crafts Council : Orla - there was pressure from Bill but without success 15:50:52 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : I am rewriting our curriculum around that as we speak! 15:50:53 From Sam Cairns : Bill Lucas has been leading the design of the test 15:50:59 From Orla Crean : yes 15:51:16 From Rachel Payne : Susan, could the next APPG focus on each of the possible foci that have been mentioned today, and we could discuss which are the most viable at that stage? 15:51:24 From Nicky, Crafts Council : Perhaps we need another informal meeting before Autumn? 15:51:27 From Helen Burns : I'm sure at Newcastle uni and therefore at others, we would be happy to pull together a funding application to do a piece of work which feeds in 15:51:40 From gspry : I agree Sheila, our students see so little practice in primary schools- it is an area that the teachers need support 15:51:48 From Susan M Coles : Helen what a super idea!!!!! 15:52:20 From Helen Burns : I have an application ready which I will send you - it could link or be re-worked as another project. Others must be in this position too... 15:52:33 From Penny Hay : Happy to help 15:52:48 From Nicky, Crafts Council : Yep - Crafts Council too! 15:52:49 From gspry : happy to help as well 15:53:10 From Lucy Williams : Some primaries do really value the arts - I was a governor of a creative arts specialist one. Experiences are very mixed 15:53:10 From Vicky : I can definitely help with collating a report 15:54:00 From Penny Hay : Good idea Nick 15:54:12 From sam.broadhead to Susan M Coles(Privately) : One panel on mature students and non traditional learners. 15:54:36 From Sheila Ceccarelli : Very good idea Nick 15:54:37 From Officer NSEAD to Susan M Coles(Privately) : be good to meet - you, Rachel, jack and Nick perhaps? The panel idea has legs 15:55:02 From Caroline Shouksmith : Happy to help too. How about collating information on areas of expertise that we all have? 15:55:14 From Amanda Skilton : Yes a great idea I would love to help. 15:55:45 From Amanda Skilton : I agree Helen.