16:49:34 From finalm : Signing in: Professor Abigail Harrison Moore, University of Leeds 16:50:15 From Susan M Coles : Welcome to you all. Please sign in here and get nice and comfortable. 16:52:23 From Pat Walters : Pat Walters signing in 16:53:05 From Lucy Williams : Hello everyone. 16:54:00 From Georgina Spry to Susan M Coles(Direct Message) : Georgina Spry 16:54:55 From Paula Briggs, AccessArt : hello everyone, Paula from AccessArt in Cambridge, pleased to be here and looking forward 16:55:40 From Fay Penrose : Hello All, Fay Penrose here :-) 16:56:23 From Paul Carney : Hi everyone. I’m Paul Carney, art consultant from Newcastle upon Tyne and Susan’s partner in crime x 16:56:58 From Officer NSEAD : Michele Gregson, NSEAD 16:57:04 From Karen Eslea (she/her) National Gallery : Hello, Karen Eslea, Head of Learning and National Programmes, The National Gallery 16:57:29 From Rachel Payne : Hi folks! Great to be here 16:57:36 From Paul Carney : Helloooo Michelle, Rachel, Paula, Penny, Katie and everyone else I know x 16:58:15 From lucym : Hello, I'm Lucy Yianni. Pleasure to meet you all. 16:58:47 From Libby : Hello, Libby Witney here, looking forward to this evening 16:59:05 From Karl : Hi all Karl Goodere-Dale here pleasure to virtually meet you all. 16:59:07 From katie leonard : Hello everyone, I am Katie PGCE secondary ITE course leader at Staffordshire University, so pleased to be here :) 16:59:09 From Rachel Payne : Susan, please note me as having signed in 16:59:18 From Lee Taylor : Hello everyone, I am Lee Taylor, it’s love to meet you all. 16:59:58 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Hi, Jessica Austin-Burdett here. 17:00:05 From Penny Hay : Hello everyone, Dr Penny Hay, Reader and Research Fellow, Bath Spa University, Director of Research, House of Imagination 17:00:45 From johnsteers : John Steers 17:01:08 From Jo Sliwa : Hi Everyone, Jo Sliwa, Director of Creative Arts, Abraham Moss Community School. Here to support my colleague who is presenting as part of the Common Foundation presentation. Thanks for including us! 17:01:23 From Angela Partington : Hello - I’m Angela Partington - Associate Dean at Kingston School of Art 17:01:41 From Patricia Lovett : Hello everyone from Patricia Lovett from the heritage Crafts Association. 17:01:51 From Deborah Davidson : Hello, Deborah Davidson, Project Director North West for North West Comino Creative Consortium 17:02:02 From Claire Penketh : Hi Claire Penketh here. Associate Professor and Head of subject for Disability Studies at Liverpool Hope University. Centre for Culture and Disability Studies. 17:02:08 From Joy Helliwell, LHS : Hi everyone, Joy Helliwell, teacher at Ladybridge High School. 17:02:10 From lucy : Hello, Lucy Kennedy, CEO, Saturday Club Trust 17:02:24 From Kate Mason : Hi All - from Kate at The Big Draw 17:03:01 From Miss Burns : Hello all! Leonnie Burns from Abraham Moss Community School, teacher of English and Media 17:03:14 From Susan M Coles : Twitter @SharonHodgsonMP 17:03:41 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Hi Leonie, I trained at Abraham Moss! 17:03:53 From Tom Cockeram : Hi Folks, Tom Cockeram from Tang Mu, also Design Technician Blackburn Central High School. 17:03:53 From Susan M Coles to HODGSON, Sharon(Direct Message) : 17:03:58 From kate noble : Hello everyone- Kate from the Fitzwilliam Museum 17:04:16 From Patricia Lovett : Oh so sorry to hear that you’re going Jack. You have been such a support both for this APPG and for the APPG for Craft. Our very best wishes go with you wherever you are going. 17:04:47 From Melanie Miller : Hello, Melanie Miller here, co-ordination of CDDIR. Can't get audio so I'm signing out and hopefully back in again. 17:04:51 From Rachel Payne : You will be missed Jack! Thank you for all your work for the APPG and for art and design education 17:06:11 From Susan M Coles : NSEAD: https://www.nsead.org/ 17:06:32 From Jack Mayorcas : thanks Patricia and Rachel, very kind 17:08:41 From HODGSON, Sharon to Susan M Coles(Direct Message) : 17:08:51 From Georgina Spry to Susan M Coles(Direct Message) : hello all, Dr. Georgina Spry, ITE University of Chester 17:09:24 From Susan M Coles : IF YOU HAVE JUST JOINED US, PLEASE SIGN IN. 17:09:27 From Georgina Spry : hello all, Dr. Georgina Spry, ITE University of Chester 17:10:06 From Nicky Dewar, Crafts Council : Hi - Nicky Dewar, Learning & Skills Director, Crafts Council 17:10:26 From Anne-Louise Quinton : hello everyone. Anne-Louise Quinton here in Leeds 17:10:44 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Hi Anne! 17:10:59 From Susan M Coles : PLEASE NOTE THAT WE ARE RECORDING FOR PRIVATE USE ONLY AND WILL ALSO TAKE A FEW SCREENSHOTS FOR SHARING ONLINE. 17:16:35 From Penny Hay to Susan M Coles(Direct Message) : 17:16:58 From Anne-Louise Quinton : Thats fantastic news to hear Well done 17:21:34 From Susan M Coles to Penny Hay(Direct Message) : 17:21:43 From Penny Hay : Sounds excellent Michele, I will share with our networks (on behalf of House of Imagination, I also co-ordinate the Comino SW Creative Education Hub) 17:22:22 From Penny Hay : Please share info about the different ITE groups 17:22:28 From Susan M Coles : Letter: https://www.nsead.org/news/news/letter-to-nick-gibb-2020/ 17:23:22 From Rebecca Burns : Hello, Rebecca Burns - designer on the CDDIR project and teaching assistant at Manchester school of art. 17:25:11 From Paula Briggs, AccessArt : really is heartbreaking and totally changes access and status 17:25:33 From Patricia Lovett : That is such disappointing news. I remember the huge effort made by this APPG and NSEAD to get bursaries, and to hear that at a stroke they have been cut after just a year is totally baffling. 17:27:06 From Susan M Coles : Even for some of the the Ebacc subjects Patricia.... 17:27:34 From Richard Davies : Was any explanation offered to explain why some subjects retained the bursary (Classics, for example) while others did not? 17:27:40 From Officer NSEAD : A blow to the many subjects that have been affected - and the Subject Associations across subjects are joining together to challenge this - including those that have not had their bursaries, languages and Classics 17:27:46 From Liz Macfarlane : All trainees should receive equal funding, if we are serious about recruitment into the profession. 17:28:03 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Totally agree Liz! 17:28:17 From Nicky Dewar, Crafts Council : Do we know / or when will we know, what impact the bursary has on recruitment? 17:28:55 From Patricia Lovett : As Sharon said, there would no doubt have been protests from the Prime Minister that Classics shouldn’t be excluded despite the stats! 17:29:11 From Officer NSEAD : Too soon to tell what the impact has had on recruitment for 2021, but we do know that courses recruited record numbers last year, when the bursary was offered 17:29:59 From Nicky Dewar, Crafts Council : is there data on who was recruited in terms of the diversity debate? 17:30:42 From Susan M Coles : Baroness Blower is tabling a question about the bursaries in the House of Lords 17:31:23 From Lucy Williams : Completely agree Liz 17:32:14 From Lucy Williams : I received a bursary/funding when I trained - it was 17 or 18 years ago. I could not have afforded to train if I had not received this bursary. 17:32:19 From Nicky Dewar, Crafts Council : It would be useful if we had some stats and headlines we could all use across our comms and messaging so we can continue to put pressure and ensure the topic is not overlooked. 17:34:01 From Rachel Payne : Its so important to hear the stories of those training this year with a bursary. Thank you Katie, Lee and Lucy! 17:35:02 From Susan M Coles : katie has a super group this year, I had a lovely online day with them recently.... 17:35:22 From Rachel Payne : @Nicky Dewar - the most up to date information we have is what we outlined in our letter to Nick Gibb https://www.nsead.org/news/news/letter-to-nick-gibb-2020/ 17:37:05 From Susan M Coles : Thanks Lucy and Lee, you are the future of art education... 17:38:03 From Liz Macfarlane : It is a totally unacceptable barrier for far too many excellent potential teachers of our subject. 17:38:04 From Nicky Dewar, Crafts Council : Thanks Rachel - its clear that the bursaries for 20/21 have made a difference - the evidence of this paired with such compelling voices is really powerful. 17:38:18 From katie leonard : Thank you Lucy and Lee you are amazing :) 17:38:22 From Lee Taylor : Thank you everyone, I appreciate having the opportunity to share my views. It is a huge shame that the bursary has been taken away. 17:38:24 From Rachel Payne : Yes, I completely agree Nicky! 17:38:54 From Liz Macfarlane : Absolutely tragic! 17:39:40 From Lucy Williams : So great to hear from you Lucy and Lee - I too could not have trained about 17 or 18 years ago, if I had not received funding 17:41:01 From Kate Mason : It would be useful to have a shared digital asset and one para of shared copy we can all use to share online to share this as a call to arms on bursary being cut. So a universal image/copy/campaign 17:41:15 From Paula Briggs, AccessArt : good idea kate 17:41:19 From Susan M Coles : thatsan 17:41:29 From katie leonard : kate Mason, that is an excellent idea the NSEAD ITE special interest group could coordinate 17:41:30 From Kate Mason : So a sort of toolkit 17:41:59 From Penny Hay : Yes Kate, good idea 17:43:16 From Susan M Coles to HODGSON, Sharon(Direct Message) : 17:44:47 From Susan M Coles : the north south divide strikes again.... 17:44:53 From Officer NSEAD : The NSEAD letter was supported by Crafts Council, the CLA and CHEAD. Many others have given their support, including NSEAD patrons Bob and Roberta Smith and Dr Janina Ramirez. Please do join as co-signatories https://www.nsead.org/news/news/letter-to-nick-gibb-2020/ 17:45:24 From Susan M Coles : Here is the report: https://fabians.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Fabians-Cultured-Communities-Report-D4-1.pdf 17:49:50 From Susan M Coles : The Arts are on their knees in some parts of the country- well, many parts. 17:51:32 From Patricia Lovett : Have just written to my MP Laura Trott about the stopping of teacher training bursaries asking her to take this up with Nick Gibb and asking what research was made to make this decision. I’ll let you know her answer. 17:51:54 From Susan M Coles : Thanks Patricia.... 17:52:06 From Rachel Payne : Half of all music venues are predicted to close, and 70% of theatres across the country 17:52:24 From Claire Penketh : Ben, is there any data on possible disproportionate impact on disabled children and young people? I am wondering how this fits with the aims of the Cultural Inclusion Manifesto? 17:52:29 From Rachel Payne : @Patricia - thank you! 17:52:33 From Susan M Coles : Theatres have closed in the north east.... 17:53:07 From Kate Mason : I would add that not only is the arts, culture and heritage been decimated but also the impact on those who make, create and innovate - the artists and creative change makers - those vital voices are being lost as the sector bleeds talent 17:53:29 From Kate Mason : Support packages for artists are minimal 17:53:51 From Susan M Coles to HODGSON, Sharon(Direct Message) : 17:53:51 From Officer NSEAD : Research commissioned by the HEAD Trust - the Arts Qualification Research Project has found that UCAS data shows that those most advantaged in society are more likely to hold Arts qualifications at Level 3 and are also more likely to apply to undertake a degree level arts course. 17:54:15 From Patricia Lovett : Research by the Heritage Crafts Association on the effects of Covid-19 on makers revealed that more than 50% thought that there was a less than 50:50 chance of them surviving the next 6 months. 17:55:07 From Patricia Lovett : The Heritage Crafts Association has also been working hard to source funding to support makers and businesses so that craft skills can be passed on for the future. 17:56:26 From Susan M Coles : Thanks Ben, its a key report- link posted above folks. 17:57:18 From Claire Penketh : Thanks Ben 17:58:18 From Rachel Payne : @Michele - have you got a link to the HEAD Trust research? 17:58:20 From Susan M Coles : that was Prof Roger Kneebone! 17:58:44 From Patricia Lovett : I’m all ears!! Professor Roger Kneebone found that he has to teach sewing to surgeons! I think we all would be happier if our surgeons knew how to sew up our post-surgery wounds!! 17:59:00 From Nicky Dewar, Crafts Council : We have an event coming up exploring the importance of touch - https://www.craftscouncil.org.uk/whats-on/touch-reflections-making 17:59:55 From Officer NSEAD : Rachel - HEAD Trust research report will be available soon, GUILD HE have undertaken the research and hopefully will be able to present at the next APPG 18:00:31 From Rachel Payne : Great, thank you! 18:01:05 From HODGSON, Sharon to Susan M Coles(Direct Message) : 18:01:22 From Paula Briggs, AccessArt : great article by fay on the subject at https://www.accessart.org.uk/using-drawing-as-a-way-of-understanding/ 18:01:27 From Susan M Coles to HODGSON, Sharon(Direct Message) : yes..... 18:02:14 From Anne-Louise Quinton : Our A level Art students used to take their sketchbooks to their Dentistry and Medical course interviews. They all said that the tutors were impressed by the qualities and usefulness. They also were accepted onto these courses. 18:02:41 From Officer NSEAD : Nicky Dewar we are looking forward to that event - those haptic experiences are cannot be fully appreciated when Art, craft and design education is via a screen with limited making opportunities 18:03:53 From Paula Briggs, AccessArt : i think its vital we try to hear more voices like fay’s within this forum to help us send our message out beyond our usual circles 18:04:13 From Nicky Dewar, Crafts Council : We delivered a project called Parallel Practices with KCL where lots of this was explored (the wonderful Celia Pym, darning in the dissecting room!) - https://www.kcl.ac.uk/cultural/projects/archive/2014/parallel-practices 18:04:14 From Anne-Louise Quinton : Absolutely Paula 18:04:56 From Paula Briggs, AccessArt : wonderful nicky - that’s when creativity happens - 2 things collide! 18:05:20 From Liz Macfarlane : beautiful images! 18:05:59 From Paula Briggs, AccessArt : i’m sure fay won’t mind me saying she studied sculpture at norwich school of art… which says it all really… 18:06:08 From katie leonard : Professor Kneebone looked at the haptic skills of surgeons and how terrible they were at sewing and ran a project where they paired them with tailors to refine the skills- amazing! see the link https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/30/surgery-students-cant-sew-cut-spend-much-time-screens-warns/ 18:06:19 From Lucy Williams : These images are fascinating 18:07:44 From Kate Mason : Nicky -event looks great - hoping to attend CC event on 10 Dec 18:07:48 From Susan M Coles : this was an amazing talk about touch- Shirley Brice Heath: https://www.tate.org.uk/research/research-centres/learning-research/working-papers/the-promises-of-learning-on-our-own-time 18:08:43 From Patricia Lovett : Celia Pym was ‘In Conversation With’ as part of the Heritage Crafts Association’s series of Zoom events to endeavour to help makers, often working on their own, to feel part of a community. Here’s the link: https://heritagecrafts.org.uk/online-events/ 18:09:30 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : I’m loving all this intersectionality, so important, I try to make connections between what I am teaching and other subjects and life experiences as much as I can, interconnectedness is vital! 18:09:54 From Susan M Coles : you learn so much from listening to Fay and seeing these illustrative images..... 18:09:54 From Penny Hay : Yes this brilliant work shows that we need to break down the silos and encourage interdisciplinary creative practice without losing the integrity of each art form, and not allowing the arts to be instrumentalised .. 18:10:20 From katie leonard : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-46019429 18:10:59 From Susan M Coles : Penny, as they do at The Harvard School of Medicine..... 18:11:30 From Penny Hay : Of course! x 18:11:44 From Patricia Lovett : Anyone interested in lettering - I’m running a series of Zoom ‘In Conversation With’ the greatest letterers in the world in 2021, starting in January with the great Ieuan Rees. More details on: www.heritagecrafts.org.uk when they are set up. Free and open to all. 18:12:48 From Nicky Dewar, Crafts Council : Our Make Your Future programme has lots of this cross curricular links between STEM subjects and craft - maths & weaving, biochemistry and knit, coding and ceramics. etc. Its been particularly interesting to see how many boys and pupils with SEN engage in ways that often surprise teachers. We have lots of teacher resources free to use, evaluation from project on our website 18:13:25 From Nicky Dewar, Crafts Council : Thinking differently about career options was a key part of this programme too - as well as teacher CPD obvs! 18:13:25 From Georgina Spry : lovely Patricia thanks for sharing - Ill pass it onto our students if that's okay 18:14:04 From Kate Mason : The Big Draw works cross-sector and has hundreds of case studies from across last 20 years of where drawing is used to underpin a wide range of disciplines and professional practice 18:14:44 From Patricia Lovett : Please do. There are 100 free places on Zoom (booking through Eventbrite) but it’s live-streamed on Facebook as well, and the recording is available to anyone to watch anytime on the Heritage Crafts Association’s website aftweards. 18:14:52 From Angela Partington : Agree with Penny 18:14:57 From Susan M Coles : its the government that need re-educating about this! 18:15:29 From Kate Mason : Fay - are you happy for us to all share screen-grabs of your current slides online? 18:16:29 From Angela Partington : Drawing needs to be de-mystified - it’s not a ‘natural’ talent - anyone can learn to draw - they just need to have the opportunity. 18:17:12 From kate noble : really powerful examples here of thinking through drawing 18:17:25 From Penny Hay : Agree with Angela! 18:19:09 From Penny Hay : Talent is a problematic word 18:19:32 From Nicky Dewar, Crafts Council : Brilliant examples 18:19:37 From Kate Mason : Yes agree. It's up there for me along with 'Mastered' 18:19:51 From Nicky Dewar, Crafts Council : Play! 18:19:52 From Claire Penketh : Great that your assessment design is so creative 18:20:16 From Liz Macfarlane : Thank you Fay, this is a fascinating presentation and so great to hear how the visual and tactile arts contribute to the all round skill set needed by veterinary surgeons. A compelling reason for teaching our subject and keeping it as an important central pillar to the curriculum in schools for all pupils: to prepare them for career pathways beyond the cultural and arts sector as well as within. 18:20:37 From Penny Hay : Joy .. intrinsic motivation .. following your own lines of enquiry .. 18:20:55 From Nicky Dewar, Crafts Council : Getting it wrong and understanding why! 18:21:14 From Anne-Louise Quinton : And we all know how artists study anatomy to help understand the human form for accuracy. It really is a symbiosis of subject sharing 18:21:19 From Penny Hay : Make more mistakes is a banner in our art school 18:22:17 From Deborah Davidson : Hear, hear 18:22:25 From Anne-Louise Quinton : Happy accidents and glorious ‘mistakes’ and ‘errors’ Penny 18:22:30 From Kate Mason : Yes - more art in all subjects! 18:22:38 From Officer NSEAD : Sounds like the International Baccalaureate Fay! 18:23:12 From Kate Mason : Really interesting presentation - Thank you Fay :-) 18:23:27 From Karen Eslea (she/her) National Gallery : So inspiring! Thank you 18:23:32 From katie leonard to Susan M Coles(Direct Message) : 18:23:54 From Claire Penketh : Senior Leaders in 6th form colleges and schools would be a useful audience for this 18:23:54 From Paula Briggs, AccessArt : wonderful thank you fay! 18:24:15 From finalm : Please could we have an on-line version of Fay's amazing presentation...I would love to be able to point to it when I am working in schools to encourage cross-disciplinary learning and when I do UCAS and EPQ talks. It is essential viewing for many Heads, Academy Leads and, as Susan says, Government and I would also love to share with some of my academic colleagues...thank you so much. 18:24:15 From Fiona MacDonald : Such a joy to see, thank you Fay 18:24:36 From Jo Sliwa : Thank you so much Fay. As a teacher of Art I it is so important for these messages to be shared with students. 18:24:41 From Claire Penketh : Thanks Fay. 18:25:12 From Lucy Williams : @Fay Penrose, was wonderful to hear you. Will you be able to share your slides? I would love to be able to share with science teachers at school? You make a powerful case for art in schools and also showing how those skills we teach are transferable? 18:26:02 From Susan M Coles : Fay- requests for your presentation to be shared? 18:26:18 From Libby Witney : Thank you so much Fay, I've had many arguments with parents and other members of staff about why Art can be important for those undertaking medical pathways and it's such a joy to hear you confirming these important connections between the two subject areas 18:26:24 From Paula Briggs, AccessArt : i agree, i think every secondary school should hear this message 18:26:33 From Susan M Coles : look here too: https://www.accessart.org.uk/using-drawing-as-a-way-of-understanding/ 18:26:39 From Tom Cockeram : Thanks for the amazing presentation Fay, I have been working on a project regarding promoting visual communication and creative confidence. Would it be possible to contact you outside of this meeting? 18:27:17 From Richard Davies : Fay Penrose was wonderful. If you are able/willing to share your slides, they would prove invaluable as a means of supporting the discussions I have with our students who often think they have to drop Art in preference for other ‘more academic’ subjects. 18:27:23 From Anne-Louise Quinton : I think it needs to come from universities too. Many parents and other teachers, won’t believe us, but from higher up, they have to accept it is true. 18:27:41 From Liz Macfarlane : Absolutely Patricia. we need the message about the value of our subject to be shouted loud and clear and it is very helpful when it comes from the STEM subjects that are held in high esteem. 18:27:49 From Penny Hay : Oh that sounds interesting @Tom, we are working on a project around making creativity visible .. shall we swap ideas? 18:28:23 From Patricia Lovett : Absolutely! Thank you for asking me to comment Sharon. Fay’s presentation was so relevant and very powerful. 18:28:35 From Karen Eslea (she/her) National Gallery : I would love the slides too please! 18:28:46 From finalm : Have also done work in schools on the value of art history for vet and medical science that links to this wonderful presentation. Thank you 18:28:47 From Richard Davies : Yes 18:29:23 From Richard Davies : Convincing parents, and often colleagues, is part of the problem. 18:29:42 From Paul Carney : I was so inspired by that Faye 18:29:57 From Patricia Lovett : I do believe that the Russel House Group a couple of years ago said that A level Art was one that they counted after a minister said art wasn’t worth studying (I think it was Nicky Morgan who then became Sec of State at DCMS!). 18:29:58 From johnsteers : Excellent presentation Fay. Good to have something uplifting! 18:29:59 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Totally inspirational thank you! 18:32:03 From Patricia Lovett to Susan M Coles(Direct Message) : Just wanted to say a great meeting Susan. Such a fascinating group of speakers! Well done. 18:34:20 From Susan M Coles to Patricia Lovett(Direct Message) : 18:35:27 From Susan M Coles : file:///C:/Users/susan/AppData/Local/Temp/%7BD110E92D-87FB-432C-87E4-1E707A108420%7D/Final%20CDDIR%20Report%20Tom%20Cockeram%202020%20(2).pdf 18:35:27 From Officer NSEAD : @Patricia Lovett, you are right, the Russell Group Universtities had a list of 'facilliating subjects' that they recommended students take at A level if they wished to study at an RG Uni - Art and Design was definitely not on the list, but the good news is that the Russell Group withdrew the facilliating subjects list last year - a tacit recognition that it was based on a flawed premise and equally flawed data! 18:35:30 18:37:39 From Susan M Coles : Lovely to see whats happening in the north west.... 18:37:53 From Paula Briggs, AccessArt : the wallpaper was stunning 18:38:15 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : I took my class from Abraham Moss to the Witworth when I was a trainee! 18:39:23 From Jo Sliwa : Thanks Susan- this projectsfocussed on boys engagement. Most ended up opting for art after that project. 18:40:01 From Deborah Davidson : The real strength of this programme is the triangular partnership relationship between the different stakeholder organisation. Each partner learning across landscapes of practice and problem solving across boundaries of practice. 18:40:10 From Susan M Coles : Lovely to see you here Jo! Brilliant news about the lads take up of art..... 18:40:57 From Susan M Coles : and children should have a voice, this is great inspirational work.... 18:41:15 From Claire Penketh to Susan M Coles(Direct Message) : Hi Susan. This has been a really great meeting. Thanks very much for the invite. Can I come to another one? I need to leave now as I am teaching at 7-8 and need a quick break. Hope to speak soon. 18:41:59 From Susan M Coles to Claire Penketh(Direct Message) : You are on the mailing list! Happy teaching. x 18:42:06 From Penny Hay : Yes @Deborah! Just like School Without Walls and Forest of Imagination ;) 18:42:06 From Claire Penketh to Susan M Coles(Direct Message) : Cheers x 18:42:47 From Deborah Davidson : @Penny Absolutely 18:42:54 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : When students are taken into art spaces and given the ability to engage with artwork they fly! I love taking students on gallery visits and other places too, missing doing that so much ash the mo! 18:44:18 From Penny Hay : Yes @Jessica we use the phrase using the city/town/village as a campus for learning with cultural centres as a vital element in this .. 18:45:08 From Lucy Williams : I totally agree with Jess. Having worked in Museum and Gallery education before my PGCE, it has always been a big thing. Especially important is to take them on public transport so they know how to get there and take their families 18:45:34 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Thanks @Lucy and @Penny 18:45:37 From Deborah Davidson : Art staff in schools frequently talk about how this project model refreshes and reinvigorates their own love of their subject too 18:45:41 From Anne-Louise Quinton : Absolutely Jess. we help them realise that these spaces are for them and throe them to become familiar and at ease with the spaces. They love it 18:46:11 From Susan M Coles : Cultural Capital! 18:46:20 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Definitely @Anne 18:46:34 From Lucy Williams : @Anne-Louise, you are so right. I did not think I was allowed in to museums and galleries when I was a child, I thought they were for posh rich people. Being taken during A Level changed that for me ….forever!!! 18:46:48 From Liz Macfarlane : A really important aspect of art and design education. No child should leave school without being introduced to museum/gallery engagement 18:46:59 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : So important to open doors, literally, for our students. 18:47:12 From Lucy Williams : Absolutely @Liz 18:47:14 From Susan M Coles : Great to see the impact on teachers too- how will your school build on this? 18:47:28 From Melanie Miller : The education staff from all the galleries and museums we have worked with have been brilliant at helping open up their collections 18:47:33 From Penny Hay : I intentionally timetable all my undergrad/postgrad/CPD sessions in cultural centres (virtual spaces at the mo) 18:47:33 From Anne-Louise Quinton : Exactly Liz. My favourite response after a visit was ‘Miss this is ace, I can’t wait to bring my mum!’ - Job done 18:47:40 From Lucy Williams : And as Jess says - it opens doors and stops the idea of elitism spreading! 18:48:23 From Anne-Louise Quinton : totally! 18:48:44 From Susan M Coles : lovely comment Joy- highlight of your teaching career.... 18:48:50 From Kate Mason : Leonnie and Rebecca - you are both wonderful champions and cultural & community Ambassadors for the region :-) 18:49:29 From finalm : I did not go to a gallery until a teacher took me at 16 and now I'm a professor of art history and have just stepped down having run a school of fine art ...the difference 1 art teacher makes...He is now 80, and I took him along to a talk recently at my old school as a living embodiment of the power of art teaching.... 18:50:10 From Susan M Coles : fab stuff Leonnie and Rebecca... 18:50:27 From Anne-Louise Quinton : When we tell children to ‘Know their place’ This is what we should mean - Cultural Capital at work here Fantastic Tom and Leonnie 18:50:46 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Great to have so many reminders of how fundamentally important our subject is, how important visits are, how important cultural capital is, all soo soooo vital, great work being done by so many creative practitioners across all disciplines! 18:51:00 From Liz Macfarlane : Another really inspiring presentation, thank you all 18:51:30 From Patricia Lovett : Neon making is a critically endangered craft as defined by the Heritage Crafts Association. Great to know that it’s being done in Bolton! 18:51:31 From Susan M Coles : Learning so much about their own territory.... 18:51:57 From Karl : A great project a nice focus 18:51:59 From Anne-Louise Quinton : exactly Susan, it fosters pride of place 18:52:25 From Susan M Coles : wow didn't realise that Patricia.... 18:52:39 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Watching all this is making me miss Manchester! 18:53:44 From Kate Mason : Yes! I love Manchester too :-) This time last year we'd partnered with MAG - pre-COVID.... 18:53:54 From Paula Briggs, AccessArt : beautiful models 18:54:03 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Fab models! 18:54:18 From Lucy Williams : brilliant 18:54:18 From Penny Hay : Brilliant work, thank you Melanie, Leonnie, Rebecca, Tom and Joy - and Jose! 18:54:25 From Anne-Louise Quinton : thank you that was uplifting 18:54:33 From Patricia Lovett : The Red List of Endangered Craft is here: https://heritagecrafts.org.uk/redlist/ Richard Wheater, a neon bender has received a grant to ensure that he can teach neon bending safely. 18:54:36 From Kate Mason : More Fab presentations :-) 18:55:04 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : I just love APPG meetings, always so inspiring despite all the challenges in our worlds! 18:55:30 From Patricia Lovett : A great APPG. Well done Susan and the NSEAD for putting it together and very well chaired again Sharon. 18:56:04 From Paula Briggs, AccessArt : yes thank you susan, nsead, sharon, jack,,, good luck jack. 18:56:08 From Patricia Lovett : And well done all the speakers too! 18:56:19 From Penny Hay : Yes Jose and Sharon, children and young people as active citizens with creative, social and cultural capital 18:56:21 From johnsteers : Thanks for a very good evening - perhaps the best APPG yet? 18:56:25 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Great work from all today, thank you! 18:56:42 From Anne-Louise Quinton : The only chance to leave a city can be with their teachers on school trips. We have to widen their worlds and help them make the world more open to them. 18:57:04 From Penny Hay : I think Comino’s focus on social opportunity is key 18:57:07 From Paula Briggs, AccessArt : fays presentation will be available via accessart very soon www.accessart.org.uk 18:57:25 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Teaching in London schools and we have the same thing too, students who barely leave the few roads they live and go to school on. 18:57:35 From Patricia Lovett : Genuinely inspiring! 18:58:16 From Kate Mason : So Lovely to 'see' everyone on this call and hear all the fab presentations! A real pleasure and privilege to be here in this space alongside you all :-) 18:58:22 From Patricia Lovett : Were the neon benders Carousel? Neede info for the new Red List we’re working on. 18:58:26 From Richard Davies : Really enjoyable and hugely informative presentations. Thank you all. 18:58:52 From Nicky Dewar, Crafts Council : Working with Widening Opps teams at HEIs has been hugely impactful in our work - worth a further explore about models of practice? 18:58:55 From Liz Macfarlane : Sadly the situation hasn't changed - the same issues were being discussed 10 years ago and was an aim for many Specialist Arts Schools to tackle before their demise! 18:59:00 From Anne-Louise Quinton : meetings like this make you realise you’re not alone More art teachers need to be here 18:59:16 From Penny Hay : Our local schools are in residence in 12 museums and the egg theatres in Bath as part of School Without Walls .. happy to share our evaluations over 10 years and creative pathways 18:59:17 From kate noble : Thank you all for a really inspiring session 18:59:34 From Rebecca Burns : Thank you so much! 18:59:36 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Thanks Jack, and good luck. 18:59:56 From Leonnie : Thanks all! Keep up the good work 19:00:20 From Patricia Lovett : Jack has been amazing! 19:00:22 From Melanie Miller : Thank you for the opportunity to share this programme. 19:00:38 From Paula Briggs, AccessArt : what a team jack and susan! 19:00:42 From Officer NSEAD : Thank you Jack! 19:01:05 From Jose Chambers : Thanks to everyone! Great stuff - will be in touch again soon. 19:01:16 From Liz Macfarlane : Thank you Jack - good luck with new ventures. 19:01:16 From Penny Hay : Thanks all, such a great meeting, let’s hope we can make some changes now 19:01:19 From Ruth Sapsed : good luck Jack 19:01:33 From Karen Eslea (she/her) National Gallery : Good luck Jack! 19:01:49 From Penny Hay : Yes good point Jack, Susan is amazing 19:02:09 From Anne-Louise Quinton : Thank you Jack. Enjoy the new horizons 19:02:19 From Karl : Good luck for the future Jack! 19:02:59 From Susan M Coles : and welcome to Maria! 19:03:11 From Jessica Austin-Burdett : Great work Jack! 19:03:13 From Kate Mason : Congrats Jack on your new endeavours 19:03:22 From Patricia Lovett to Susan M Coles(Direct Message) : When is Jack actually leaving? 19:03:30 From Rachel Payne : Thank you Jack, good luck! 19:03:32 From Ruth Sapsed : creative cycling - there must be a project there 19:03:45 From Penny Hay : Happy cycling Jack 19:03:51 From Fay Penrose : Thanks everyone, it was great to meet you all. If you want my presentation it will be available soon via AccessArt. If you wish to contact me my email is culling@liv.ac.uk 19:03:59 From Susan M Coles to Patricia Lovett(Direct Message) : next week I believe... 19:04:09 From Patricia Lovett to Susan M Coles(Direct Message) : Thanks. I’ll drop him a card. 19:04:12 From Angela Partington : Many thanks for wonderful presentations.